It's quite beautiful, but it was very hard. MARTIN: Mark Duplass - he's the producer of "Out There" on Hulu, and he produced and cowrote "Penelope" on Netflix. Mark, thank you so much. DUPLASS ...

Mark Duplass is famous for playing Chip on "The Morning Show" and for writing and directing indie hits. He has two new projects out now, "Out There: Crimes Of The Paranormal" on Hulu and "Penelope" on ...

DUPLASS: She gets me. CHANG: Mark Duplass is the producer of two new shows, "Out There" and "Penelope." You can hear more from him by following the Wild Card podcast. Transcript provided by NPR ...